The conversation explores the current state of optimism and positive views in the world. It discusses the embrace of despots and dictators by political leaders, the rise of hypocrisy and gullibility, and the impact of the internet on knowledge and information. The lack of leadership and political courage is highlighted, along with the need for fact-based information and trust in public officials. The conversation concludes with a call for a discussion on these issues and the importance of using facts as the basis for opinions.
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